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PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 16:15 
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Draw: One
Main Phase 1: Play an island. Tap Rootwater Hunter to deal 1 damage to Cenerae's Tolarian Entrancer.
Attack: None
Main Phase 2: None
End of Turn: None

In Play:
4 Islands
Rootwater Hunter

Cards in Hand: 5
Cards in Graveyard:
Life: 20

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Take 1 from entrancer

Upkeep: None
Draw: Draw 1
Main Phase 1: Tap <WW> for Silent-Chant Zubera (1/2)
Attack: None
Main Phase 2: None
End of Turn: None

In Play:
Plains x3 (x1 untapped, x2 tapped)
Sensei's Divining Top
Samurai of the Pale Curtain (Bushido 1, 2/2)
Sensei Golden-Tail (Bushido 1, 2/1)
Silent-Chant Zubera (1/2)

Cards in hand: 4
Cards in graveyard: None
Cards Removed from the Game: None
Current Life: 19

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Location: deep inside my own little fantasy world... <TDH: 7-21>
Upkeep: None
Draw: Draw 1
Main Phase 1: Play <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Vault of Whispers" target="_blank" class="postlink">Vault of Whispers</a>
Then I tap all four lands to play <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Magma Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Magma Sliver</a>
Attack:
Tap both <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Crypt Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Crypt Sliver</a> and <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Muscle Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Muscle Sliver</a> to give <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Metallic Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Metallic Sliver</a> + 8 / + 0 , Then attack sarcrl with Metallic Sliver (10/2)

Main Phase 2: None
End Step: None

In Play:
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Ancient Den" target="_blank" class="postlink">Ancient Den</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Glimmervoid" target="_blank" class="postlink">Glimmervoid</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Great Furnace" target="_blank" class="postlink">Great Furnace</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Vault of Whispers" target="_blank" class="postlink">Vault of Whispers</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Metallic Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Metallic Sliver</a> (Tapped/Attacking)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Crypt Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Crypt Sliver</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Muscle Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Muscle Sliver</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Magma Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Magma Sliver</a>
Cards in Graveyard:
None
Cards in Hand: 3
Current Life: 20

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 01:42 
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Location: Anorein, City in the Sky
Upkeep: None
Draw: Draw one
Main Phase 1: play an Island. Tap 2 lands, tap the shackles and take control of JrEye's Samurai of the Pale Curtain.
Attack: None
Main Phase 2: None
End of Turn: None

In Play:

4x Island (2T)

Vedalken Shackles (T), captured Samurai of the Pale Curtain


Cards in hand: 5

Cards in graveyard:

Serum Visions
Tolarian Entrancer

Current Life: 20

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 03:38 
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If I remember right:

212.3d A creature’s activated ability with the tap symbol in its activation cost can’t be played unless the creature has been under its controller’s control since the start of his or her most recent turn. A creature can’t attack unless it has been under its controller’s control since the start of his or her most recent turn. This rule is informally called the “summoning sickness” rule. Ignore this rule for creatures with haste (see rule 502.5).

Summoning Sickness (Informal)
The term “summoning sickness” is an informal term which describes a creature’s inability to attack or to use activated abilities that include the tap symbol when it has come under a player’s control since the beginning of that player’s most recent turn. See rule 212.3d. See also Haste.

Since you just took it and it doesnt grant haste i believe it has summoning sickness

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unless otherwise noted on the card (of course), jreye is right...i believe.

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my bad. Edited my turn

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I take 10 heartbreaking damage from your sliver (ouch)

Upkeep: None
Draw: One
Main Phase 1: Tap 4 islands to play Control Magic on Ptran's Magma Sliver (4/4, if i'm not mistaken...).
Attack: None
Main Phase 2: None
End of Turn: None

In Play:
4 Islands (all tapped)
Rootwater Hunter
Control Magic on Ptran's Magma Sliver (4/4, with muscle sliver's +1/+1, i think slivers bonuses count for all slivers on the playing field, right?)

Cards in Hand: 4
Cards in Graveyard:
Life: 10

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yes....their effects are global

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Upkeep: None
Draw: Draw 1
Main Phase 1: Tap <WW> for Konda's Hatamoto (Bushido 1, Vigilance, 2/4), tap <W> for Sensei's Divining Top
Attack: Sensei and Zubera to Ptran
Main Phase 2: None
End of Turn: None

In Play:
Plains x3 (x0 untapped, x3 tapped)
Sensei's Divining Top
Konda's Hatamoto (Bushido 1, Vigilance, 2/4)
Sensei Golden-Tail (Bushido 1, 2/1) (t)
Silent-Chant Zubera (1/2) (t)

Cards in hand: 4
Cards in graveyard: None
Cards Removed from the Game: None
Current Life: 19
Taken: Samurai of the Pale Curtain (Bushido 1, 2/2)


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Location: deep inside my own little fantasy world... <TDH: 7-21>
Upkeep: None
Draw: Draw 1
Main Phase 1: Tap <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Glimmervoid" target="_blank" class="postlink">Glimmervoid</a> and <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Vault of Whispers" target="_blank" class="postlink">Vault of Whispers</a> to play another <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Crypt Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Crypt Sliver</a> , then I tap <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Great Furnace" target="_blank" class="postlink">Great Furnace</a> and <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Ancient Den" target="_blank" class="postlink">Ancient Den</a> to play <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Hunter Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Hunter Sliver</a>

Attack: I will attack sarcrl with <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Crypt Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Crypt Sliver</a>(2/2) provoking <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Rootwater Hunter" target="_blank" class="postlink">Rootwater Hunter</a>
Main Phase 2: None
End Step: None

In Play:
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Glimmervoid" target="_blank" class="postlink">Glimmervoid</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Vault of Whispers" target="_blank" class="postlink">Vault of Whispers</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Great Furnace" target="_blank" class="postlink">Great Furnace</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Ancient Den" target="_blank" class="postlink">Ancient Den</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Metallic Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Metallic Sliver</a> (Tapped)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Crypt Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Crypt Sliver</a> (Tapped/provoking Rootwater Hunter)
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Muscle Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Muscle Sliver</a>
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Hunter Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Hunter Sliver</a>
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Crypt Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Crypt Sliver</a>
<a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/gathererlookup.asp?name=Magma Sliver" target="_blank" class="postlink">Magma Sliver</a> (under Sarcrl's control)
Cards in Graveyard:
none
Cards in Hand: 2
Current Life: 20

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You know provoking something that can tap itself wont kill the Rootwater cause in response to you declaring attackers he can just tap it and it cant be provoked or even before your attack phase it can be done

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Location: Anorein, City in the Sky
Upkeep: None
Draw: Draw one
Main Phase 1: Tap all lands to play Ray of Command, targetting JrEye's Sensei Golden-Tail
Attack: Sensei Golden-Tail to sarcrl
Main Phase 2: None
End of Turn: Assumming it still lives, Sensei Golden-Tail returns to JrEye's control

In Play:

4x Island (4T)

Vedalken Shackles (T), captured Samurai of the Pale Curtain


Cards in hand: 5

Cards in graveyard:

Serum Visions
Tolarian Entrancer
Ray of Command

Current Life: 20

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2005 03:37 
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JrEye wrote:
You know provoking something that can tap itself wont kill the Rootwater cause in response to you declaring attackers he can just tap it and it cant be provoked or even before your attack phase it can be done




Wrong...... :P

if he does tap his Rootwater Hunter to make it unable to block...provoke will untap it and make it block....so his creature has to block mine....and if he taps his creature after i provoke acording to rule 306.2b Tapping or untapping a creature that’s already been declared as an attacker or blocker doesn’t remove it from combat and doesn’t prevent its combat damage....the only way out of it is if his creature is sent to the graveyard before the attackers step or removed from play


EDIT:
Hunter Sliver

Creature -- Sliver
1/1
All Slivers have provoke. (When a Sliver attacks, its controller may have target creature defending player controls untap and block it if able.)

EDIT 2:
Provoke
The official rules for the provoke ability are as follows:

502.29. Provoke

502.29a Provoke is a triggered ability. "Provoke" means "Whenever this creature attacks, you may choose to have target creature defending player controls block this creature this combat if able. If you do, untap that creature."

502.29b If a creature has multiple instances of provoke, each triggers separately.

* There's no requirement for the provoked creature to be tapped or to be able to block.

* You can choose not to force the creature to block, in which case it won't untap.

* If the provoked creature becomes tapped before the declare blockers step, it won't be able to block.

* If a creature is provoked by more than one creature, the controller of the provoked creature chooses which one it blocks.

* If the provoked creature has any costs to block, those costs don't have to be paid. If the costs are paid, the provoked creature must block the creature with provoke.

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well if he taps and then you attack to provoke and he taps again the sliver would be dealt lethal damage and then would have to be regened

dont have rules in front of me to see if it gets removed due to that

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