The DD refering to when he got hit after feeding on the tollspry. Notice how the DD kept 14k more DP and still got hit. Also note that the sylvan could hit for 430k (21k more than what the vamp had).
It's pretty clear that others had the capability and desire to hit the vamp. Very Low defense is not a set #, but contingent upon landsize, threat, return time, realm cover, etc.. Before the retal, the vamp was still big, posed a long-term threat, and had no realm cover. After the sui retal conquest, the vamp was no longer a worthy target. 35 moved on to hit 16.

The vamp was going to get hit either way.

Attack#2: If you send out the specified amount of troops your military will have an offense of 409705 and a defense of 273345.

What the heck is this? Your tollspry sui OP? If you are trying to prove my point that he could no longer actually sustain a hit without getting completely dominated then thanks for that.

Fergy your time line is all screwed up. The hit on r16 came after r35 had pushed more which was too late to catch our vamp . I had every single player in r35 calced and they were unable to hit over 355k during day. Especially when he hit during night and Immor could HC 2 times (which he had planned to do if a spec push came)

The only players who could sui were tollspy in r10 and r16 DD and Elemental (most likely I never checked as he could sui alot of people around that point in the round)

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Wonderland says
he is pwning you with a wooden spoon!
Immor says
i use chopstick

355k op by #35 during Day is simply a lie.

We were expecting the Vamp to leave at least 390-400k def, that was by then safe def (tho I do not remember the exact kingdom holding that OP) and I am now gonna say this: I am 100% sure about our numbers and calcing skill, pretty confident they are more accurate than your numbers.

Even if we, in the "unlikeliest" of cases, were wrong about that OP, then how about this: less than 24hrs after the Vamp's hit, Dante got hit by Trees and Stuff which had 432k OP. Do you claim that less than 24hrs before that hit (at the time your Vamp sent), Trees and Stuff had 78k less OP and therefore Immor was safe at 355k? You are funny

I actually didn't need to tell you all this, since #35 players clearly said it already: they were gonna kill your Vamp but #10 went before them.

2012-02-01 04:33:40 CET Rafflesia Arnoldii invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 318 land!
2012-02-01 02:41:24 CET Roamers invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 242 land!
2012-01-31 20:59:02 CET Shooting Star[# 15] invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY and captured 312 land!
2012-01-31 20:54:10 CET Trees n Stuff invaded Clubs[# 16] and captured 507 land!
2012-01-31 20:53:42 CET We 35 have declared war! on Four No Trump [# 16]!
2012-01-31 20:53:36 CET We 35 have declared hostile relations with Four No Trump [# 16]!
2012-01-31 20:52:27 CET Shinoooobi [# 15] have declared war on us 10!
2012-01-31 20:51:08 CET Shinoooobi [# 15] have declared hostile relations with us10!
2012-01-31 20:03:25 CET Clubs[# 16] invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY and captured 250 land!
2012-01-31 19:52:04 CET DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] invaded Rafflesia Arnoldii and captured 498 land!
2012-01-31 14:00:01 CET We 35 have cancelled relations with Christmas Crazies [# 12]!
2012-01-31 13:11:50 CET Rafflesia Arnoldii invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 489 land!
2012-01-31 11:43:04 CET Vultures inc.[# 35] has gained control over Ring of Barin!
2012-01-31 05:59:24 CET DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] invaded Rafflesia Arnoldii and captured 537 land!
2012-01-31 00:48:36 CET Rafflesia Arnoldii invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 284 land!
2012-01-31 00:46:41 CET We 7 have declared war! on Sudden Mouse Strike! [# 10]!
2012-01-31 00:46:35 CET We 7 have declared hostile relations with Sudden Mouse Strike! [# 10]!

It's a reference to how much DP the vamp left. The suicide DP is unimportant (well, keep it in mind for metagame).

Check the newspaper. The hit on 16 is only 7 hrs after the vamp hit the tollspry, and only 1 hr after the tollspry hit the vamp. Did the vamp have 22k dp incoming at 20:00?

my 365k dp was at

2012-01-31 00:48:36 CET Rafflesia Arnoldii invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 284 land!

which is 20hrs before sylvan hit DD.

2012-01-31 20:54:10 CET Trees n Stuff invaded Clubs[# 16] and captured 507 land!

2012-01-31 13:11:50 CET Rafflesia Arnoldii invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 489 land!

The dp at 13:xx was not important anymore, because i was get "suicided" already, my round can be said done, by the way, my dp at 13:xx was much more than 00:xx.

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he is getting out of class to go to the "washroom" lol
Immor says:
ah, ok, "stomachache"
080 says:
aha ya
Immor says:
tell Lordrahl be careful and dont drop his iphone into the toilet bowl
080 says:
lolz

2012-01-31 00:48:36 CET Rafflesia Arnoldii invaded DEAD GIVEAWAY[# 10] and captured 284 land!
2012-01-31 20:54:10 CET Trees n Stuff invaded Clubs[# 16] and captured 507 land!

20 not 7. Good try though.

I am not sure if you understood I was talking about the FIRST hit. The other hits were just to give r10 the middle finger. Like Immor said his round was over at that point so dp was irrelevant.

So given this fact once again it seems that r35 could not hit our vamp during the only hit that mattered. Why, you ask could they not hit him? Oh that's right because I forgot I was the whore with 6k spies and mages and calced their entire realm





I love how you are so confident and yet you don't know what day you are talking about

I can calc as well as any other dumb ass. Apparently I needed to spell out what hit I was actually talking about. When I say HIT that means something that was legit and planned. If I say sui or retal that would imply another hit or some stupid hit with intention of keeping low dp and getting hit back.



So what you are saying is I am 100% sure. But in case I am screwing something up and making myself look like an idiot then here is an outrageous number that you can not possibly justify.

To that I say yes it was "unlikely" because you are wrong. And yes he had that much more OP because he either pushed units or tavs because he had been sitting forever.

I edited out the "You are funny" because I already know that.

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Wonderland says
he is pwning you with a wooden spoon!
Immor says
i use chopstick

20 ticks before trees and stuff hit #16 = less than 355k op? Ok. When hitting #16 = 430k op.

75000/20 = 3750 op per tick. With ~70% omods, it makes it 2.2k raw op per tick, which translates to having 268k gold and 185k lumber econ.

And no, trees wasn't on a stack, as he had pushed the whole stack to hit your vamp already.



I wonder who's done the bad calcs. But it's ok, you were only some 50k off. :P

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Poor Eric..

You guys probably missed Trees sui push, since 355K sounds like the OP I would have since i just had completed my wave(Leaving like 38xk dp if i recall correctly)

There wasn't much fault in the defense in itself. Might have been better to just take the hit from Trees and get it over with then to defend that kinda op. But claiming trees couldnt hit you is just very very wrong:)

Either way it doesnt really matter since you broke the golden rule and attacked someone who could retal you!

Love how you claim the #10 toll suid and your vamp was a legit "hit":) what did you expect?
You ended the tolls round, leaving yourself open for him to end your. OFC he retals, i know i would.

There's a golden rule in elveron?

Is it don't assume you won't get sui'd when you screw another realm's win shot?

And don't Poor Eric me. That's just low. I don't need sympathy or your pathetic apathy. If I were actually upset with the round you would get more colourful words in my post. However, we won so Poor B (Enrico).

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Wonderland says
he is pwning you with a wooden spoon!
Immor says
i use chopstick

Aren't low turtle races supposed to have more overall military than high turtle races? High turtle races are supposed to utilize their flexibility to outplay the mathematical advantage low turtle races have. (Sylvan troops are much cheaper than DD, Tollspry, Human, and Elemental.) This round seems like a nice example of how that plays out.

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2 high turtle races with such close military just cant touch eachother wtihtout the other retalling. As far as I was concerned when it happend, i saw the vamps attack as a sui, which i posted in the realm coucil(think i said something along the lines: "lol epic sui by the vamp, guess we only got to take out the DD now"). And naturally the tollspry retalled.


And yes you won 080, but i wouldn't flatter yourselves too much, with the attack on the tollspry you gave away your chance to change the outcome of the final days yourselves. You were quiet obvservers that just had to depend #16 and us taking eachothers out to have a chance at it.



Don't get me wrong, you all played a good round, and misstakes happends, we all screw up. But denying that the vamps hit on the toll was a roundbreaking misstake is kinda dumb:)

We considered it sui-ish too. Not a downright sui since no one could hit legitimately, but considering there were at least two kingdoms that could sui, both being very likely to do so, it was a very reckless hit.

No I completely agree the hit on the tollspry was a bad decision. I definitely am not flattering myself with our win either. I know it was only possible the last day because of outside events and nothing we could do about it. We made a safe hit and the rest was up to everyone else.

In hind sight I am not disappointed in hitting the tollspry as in an odd way ended up working for us and I also like not seeing a tollspry in the top especially when I have no idea who they were.

The one thing I disagree on though is that our hit was a sui. In the end I feel the kingdom that gets hit by more than one player is the sui kingdom. And the 409/275 hit to CQ retal our Vamp the second time makes my decision. The first hit was close. Maybe that is a warped view but that is how I see it anyway. I do however agree that the tollspry first retal was justified. Just not a legit hit.

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Wonderland says
he is pwning you with a wooden spoon!
Immor says
i use chopstick

Well perhaps suicide is bad choice of word, what irretated me is that you are all calling the tollspry suicider? he was the only one making sense imo^^

Well, i have no idea how the tollspry played and/or if he payed attention. But lets get in his shoes:

Tollspry check the vamps sendable, and make sure to leave enough so he can retal the vamp who has slightly more mili.

Tollspry sends leaving a lot of defense

Vamp attacks tollspy leaving so little defense the toll can safely retal blindfolded(360k for the toll is a lot more then 360k for the vamp)

Neither gets hit from outside realms.


What's happends after is just raging:) just what people do when their round gets ended in that manner. Or atleast this is how i see it.