Ok, so the whole controversy about Wilan's account being suspended last round for advertising his kingdom's low DP prompted me to ask the administrators for clarification regarding the following rule.

"(5) Out of realm target sharing is not allowed. If target sharing is detected, the guilty accounts will be suspended or deleted depending on the seriousness of the crime."

In particular, transparency and consistency may be required regarding two common practices I see that have never been penalized during the rounds I've played. So can we get a clear, "bright line" statement on these?

Example 1: Advertising that you've suicided someone:

It seems like every round, someone suicides late round and then sends 1 unit to various kingdoms to notify them that they have suicided someone and hence have free land for the would-be invader. Often players do this because they want someone other than the kingdom/realm they've suicided to get the free land.

Now, on the face of it, this is no different from what Wilan did. In fact, it's likely worse because such suicides and the resulting land-grab have a lot more ramifications on who wins.

So what distinguishes such suicide advertising and Wilan's low DP advertising?

Example 2: Advertising that your Relic has no hero power:

This is a common practice that people employ when they no longer want a particular Relic for whatever reason and then do not want to wait till it maxes out.

Now, here I understand that the conduct is not "target sharing." So technically, the conduct escapes the explicit "letter" of the law. But I'd imagine it still violates the general "spirit" of the law, no? You are sharing stuff that requires an actual spying activity to obtain. In fact, such information is more difficult-to-obtain than low DP information, because they do not appear on the Net Worth changer, requires higher spy power, and is generally less frequently checked. And the in-game ramifications are also quite significant.

Again, just asking for what the current rules--or more precisely the interpretation of the rules--are in regard to these two common practices. And I ask because these two things happen rather often (so we are not dealing with a once-in-a-blue-moon hypothetical), and they both have major consequences.

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Our pack's Royal Family Message every round now:

"Please don't hit active guys with huge OP--even if they leave land DP!!!"

Why do you insist on starting such touchy subjects?

1. Bouncing attacks after you suicide happens quite often, but I would bet attacking the 59th minute of the hour and overpopulating the next minute/seconds is much more popular.

2. This is also another common practice, at least as far as updating your realm name goes.

Overall on the subject of info sharing: Ive always gone by "Anything inside the game and outside of private messages is fair game." As long as the whole game has an equal opportunity to read and react, I dont think there should be a punishment. Also, whenever something 'monumental' happens in the game - like the two top realms clash or X just suicided Y or Z just pushed like 9860976 offense - I would say there is a 6-12 hour grace period in which you shouldnt talk about it to people outside your realm. However, and I know this is the case for most everyone playing, after the grace period people message others "Holy shi-! You see whats happening right now?"

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The Age of Despair :: Round 2 :: 1 El Norte
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 4 :: 1 SmoochyWoochyPoochy
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 6 :: 1 Goblin Rings
The Age of Achievements :: Round 1 :: 1 Hufflepuff's Cup

"Touchy"? I simply want to know how this rule is interpreted, given that I am a relatively new player. And I doubt I am the only person who's unsure about these things.

Edit: Believe me; I have zero motivation to start any controversy as I do not enjoy online flame-fests. But again, this is a simply an innocent rules clarification question regarding something that happens awfully a lot.

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Our pack's Royal Family Message every round now:

"Please don't hit active guys with huge OP--even if they leave land DP!!!"

When you openly ask for clarification on a rule like this, it brings up questions of your character. If youre not sure if what youre thinking about doing is legal, then you shouldnt do it.

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The Age of Despair :: Round 2 :: 1 El Norte
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 4 :: 1 SmoochyWoochyPoochy
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 6 :: 1 Goblin Rings
The Age of Achievements :: Round 1 :: 1 Hufflepuff's Cup

Ok, guy.

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Our pack's Royal Family Message every round now:

"Please don't hit active guys with huge OP--even if they leave land DP!!!"

Until the admins update the law with more strict lines what to follow, both of the aforementioned means are legit, despite being "dishonourable".

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www.ceekayed.com

Yes, I was just about to say something along these lines.

I tend to be too hasty with my comments, I am sorry about that. The rule is quite vague, so I see why you believe some clarification is needed. After being here for almost two years time, Ive gotten the feel for what is excepted, what is frowned upon, and what is clearly cheating. I must understand that everyone grasps that knowledge differently...

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The Age of Despair :: Round 2 :: 1 El Norte
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 4 :: 1 SmoochyWoochyPoochy
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 6 :: 1 Goblin Rings
The Age of Achievements :: Round 1 :: 1 Hufflepuff's Cup

@MB- at least when wilan trolls he's funny.

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I don't have a dirty mind, I have a sexy imagination. XD

I was not trolling. But I agree that my sense of humor needs work--even when I try to be funny

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Our pack's Royal Family Message every round now:

"Please don't hit active guys with huge OP--even if they leave land DP!!!"

I seriously don't understand why every thread has to be turned into a flame fest, and why the most innocent question must elicit an insult.

I've deliberately omitted particular realms and kingdoms that did this to keep out the controversial personal attacks. Nor did I give any indications that I have thought about doing this. Finally, this was not "out-of-the-blue" question either, because it caused some controversy last round, and Kalle opened another thread about obscure rules recently. So rules clarification is among the major topics of the day.

And again: the rule enforcement is simply unclear, and I am not the only person who is not sure. In fact, I've asked some of the oldest veterans of this game, and they weren't sure of it either (the closest answer I got was when I was told that Viruz used to suspend/delete people for the aforesaid behavior but Zip does not).

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Our pack's Royal Family Message every round now:

"Please don't hit active guys with huge OP--even if they leave land DP!!!"

I forgot to add to the previous post that I 100% agree on that the laws should be made clear, as in what is allowed and what not - it'd also make it easier for the admins to make the calls if they had a strict guideline to follow themselves.

As you pointed out, V used to suspend people for some stuff that doesn't get a suspension these days, etc. If you want to be sure, just stay out of the grey zones.
Until the law is changed, I believe that intentionally bouncing on people or advertising a free relic in realm name are not in the grey zone but legit, since the behaviour has been allowed to continue for many ages now.

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www.ceekayed.com

I think quaffle is on edge because he knows his realms consistently employ such slimy tactics. ^^;

I could be wrong though.

But yeah, ceek is right, this is a legit yet slimy maneuver that people will not stop doing because there is no rule against it. :)

Oh, and I'm pretty sure there is so much out of realm info sharing going on CONSTANTLY that the entire rule is laughable at best. Seriously, who on these boards never shares info with people out of realm? It is an antiquated joke of a rule that nobody actually obeys. Unless something has changed since I've stopped playing? lol I doubt it.

*Edit*

I must admit I do love how the rule makes it so Legends talk is completely dead for 3/4ths of every round. This has frustrated me for ages. :)

*Edit 2*

lol@quaffail's justification on his target sharing. "But if I wait 6 hours then everyone should know about every big pump/war already and I can share all the infos I want lololol." Remove this rule please. People admit to breaking it on the official boards of the game.

*Edit 3*

Man this would suck as a multi post now, eh? In response to ceek's latest post, it pisses me off when the people who live in the grey area solely get advantages out of it and avoid all punishment. Clarify the rules or punish people who are obviously trying to exploit said rules plox.

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Zehahaha

I wanted to say the same, but I didn't want the thread to degenerate into another personal insult-fest.

But it is really hilarious that Quaffle always accuses someone of doing something that he himself does and does it in a far more blatant and repeated manner (prior examples include his condemning pointless suicides and criticizing those who ditch pack-mates at the 11th hour).

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Our pack's Royal Family Message every round now:

"Please don't hit active guys with huge OP--even if they leave land DP!!!"

It is possible to condemn something even though your doing it yourself. Albeit sometimes you might come off as a raging hypocrite. =]

For instance, I'm not a huuuge fan of magewhoring. Nor am I very happy about suiciding someone, however I will do both if it can help my realm to win.

I'll also advertise in my realmname that our relic is free if we happen to want another relic. Doesnt matter if I personally believe it should be illegal or not, anything within the rules of the game goes, regardles of some personal moral some people might have.

He's quite the hypocrite. ^^;

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Zehahaha