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knicoal
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 01:29 |
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Joined: Sat Nov 12, 2005 00:38 Posts: 4883
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I gotta be honest. I looked at those stats - and they are fucked. I am curious how many games were played to get them and/or who was playing (i.e. closed community or not) and/or who compiled the data (i.e. many ppl or one dood).
However. I think that the game you are suggesting looks ok balancing-wise.
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kimura
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 03:40 |
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Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 08:52 Posts: 430 Location: Lion Rock!
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...*pant*....epic....*pant*....fatigue.....
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The Baron
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 04:24 |
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knicoal wrote: I gotta be honest. I looked at those stats - and they are fucked. I am curious how many games were played to get them and/or who was playing (i.e. closed community or not) and/or who compiled the data (i.e. many ppl or one dood). It's not empirical data. I think in part 2 of the that article, they give the formula. Based on pure random lynching, it can be calculated out. Of course, there will always be biased in our picks no matter how much I argue for dice rolls and coin flips. *grumbles*
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MoD
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 17:39 |
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Joined: Sun May 01, 2005 14:44 Posts: 2185 Location: The Netherlands
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dont play with shusty, he vegged as soon as we were with 3.
fool disguiser and doc, he was doc. Fool and me said we would kill fool, makes us win. He didn't accept that kind of win and left us. The nabface.
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Rick
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 22:53 |
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Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 22:16 Posts: 1329 Location: Knighthood
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Indeed, I was going to split the win with Mafia when I was Fool and the other left. I've had to see it happen to me before, why cant anyone else put up with it? The players on that site are mostly pussies or idiots  (I haven't played with everyone, granted, but those I have played with have been a bad representation in any case)
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Fergy
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 00:23 |
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Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2005 21:25 Posts: 1850 Location: Michigan
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Knicoal, based off Formulas, Start with something simple and work up to many people.
1 Mafia 3 person game Night 1: Mafia Kills 1 cit Day 1: Majority can't be reached, Mafia will kill during night. Chance of Mafia Win: 100%
4 person game Night 1: Mafia kills 1 cit ( 2 cits remaining) Day 1: Majority can be reached by cits. 2 in 3 chance of killing Citizen. If fail citz lose Chance of Mafia Win: 66.66%
5 person game Night 1: Mafia kills 1 cit (3 cits remaining) Day 1: 3 in 4 chance of lynching Citizen. If fail Citz lose Chance of Mafia Win: 75%
That's assuming Citizens will lynch, obviously best option is to no lynch and bring odds up to a 4 person game.
6 person game Night 1: Mafia kills 1 cit (4 cits remaining) Day 1: 4 in 5 chance of lynching Citizen. If lynch fails, cits have another chance. (3 cits remain) Night 2: Mafia kills 1 cit (2 cits remaining) Day 2: 2 in 3 chance of lynching Citizen. If fail Citz lose Chance of Mafia Win: (4/5)*(2/3) = 53.33%
7 person game Night 1: Mafia kills 1 cit (5 cits remaing) Day 1: 5 in 6 chance of lynching Citizen. If lynch fails, cits have another chacne (4 cits remain) Night 2: Mafia kills 1 Cit (3 cits remain) Day 2: 3 in 4 chance of lynching Citizen. Citz lose if they fail lynch. Chance of mafia win: (5/6)*(3/4) = 62.5%
Obviously this is BS, because cits would no lynch first day to improve odds. From now on I'll skip odd numbers.
8 person game Night 1: Mafia kills 1 cit ( 6 Cits remain) Day 1: 6 in 7 chance of lynching mafia. ( 5 cit remain) Night 2: Mafia kills 1 cit ( 4 cit remain) Day 2: 4 in 5 chance of lynching mafia (3 cit remain) Night 3: Mafia kills 1 cit ( 2 cit remain) Day 3: 2 in 3 chance of lynching mafia, cits lose if fail Chance of mafia winning: (6/7)*(4/5)*(2/3) = 45.71%
As you can see it's a simple pattern, with a 2-player increase, just multiply by another fraction. These numbers are identical to what they posted (although Inversed). Since we allow the players to no lynch, we can ignore all the odd numbed games. For now, I'll assume they calculated 2 mafia correctly.
Based on this new understanding, I'll revise my earlier statement: (6-7) 5-6 citizen, mafia (Cit win: 46%) (8-9) 7-8 citizen, mafia (cit win: 54%) (22-23) 20-21 citizen, 2 mafia (cit win: 50.71%)
When you add in the human factor, these numbers become way off.
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Rick
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 19:39 |
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Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 22:16 Posts: 1329 Location: Knighthood
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I had a set-up...
2 lynchers, 1 killer, 2 maf, 1 doc, 1 fool, 1 cop, 2bps, 1 miller. (Miller and Fool optional)
Its certainly interesting, might need some tweaking though.
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Fergy
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 20:08 |
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Joined: Wed Apr 13, 2005 21:25 Posts: 1850 Location: Michigan
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(8) Villager, Mafia, 2 Cops, Vigilante, Miller, Hunter, Framer
Played many games similar to this last night, this one seemed to work out the best.
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Rick
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 01:05 |
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Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 22:16 Posts: 1329 Location: Knighthood
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1 Cit, 1 Doc, 1 Cop, 1 Miller, 1 BP, 2 Bombs, 1 Mason, 1 Framer, 1 Hooker, 1 Killer. Funniest thing earlier, with this set-up I was annoyed at being Cit, so I claimed BP, got counter-claimed, made up a report and claimed Cop, got lynched, and it turned out my claim was right. Was the funniest thing ever  (I get bored of being Cit in unranked)
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The Baron
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 04:52 |
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Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 22:40 Posts: 3104 Location: NOT USA
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quaffle
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 04:56 |
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Congrats Baron!
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knicoal
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 05:01 |
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quaffle wrote: Congrats Baron! Read: Congrats on being the biggest loser with the most free time on your hands. Kudos to Rick also (for being a loser) 
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Rick
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 15:29 |
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Joined: Sun Mar 14, 2004 22:16 Posts: 1329 Location: Knighthood
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First oppurtunity I get, I'm launching a conventional nuclear warhead at Jia's house and/or latest known whereabouts. I thought I had to get to 2500 for Silver. People been like "CONGRATZZZZ" and imlike "Just 145 more points plox, then congratzz". I checked main page, and I am really second. Thought I'd have to get 2.5k first... EDIT: I did my first assholish thing yesterday  A certain 'bull'headed player dislikes me on Epicmafia, I was sure who Mafia were (and they were quite obvious, however I was only certain of one) and the Doc agreed with me. But this one player wouldn't let it go that I 'manipulate' the game. He made it personal and so I vegged, I refused to allow the Maf the win when they far from deserved it. Don't hate me plz. 
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kimura
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 15:50 |
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Rick wrote: First oppurtunity I get, I'm launching a conventional nuclear warhead at Jia's house and/or latest known whereabouts. I thought I had to get to 2500 for Silver. People been like "CONGRATZZZZ" and imlike "Just 145 more points plox, then congratzz". I checked main page, and I am really second. Thought I'd have to get 2.5k first... EDIT: I did my first assholish thing yesterday  A certain 'bull'headed player dislikes me on Epicmafia, I was sure who Mafia were (and they were quite obvious, however I was only certain of one) and the Doc agreed with me. But this one player wouldn't let it go that I 'manipulate' the game. He made it personal and so I vegged, I refused to allow the Maf the win when they far from deserved it. Don't hate me plz.  Ummm, just curious but, was that certain 'bull'headed player Shiina? Definitely matches the description. I'm curious to know who mafia was too 
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Rick
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 15:58 |
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...Bullrog. Shiina isn't so bad. But Bullrog always refuses to accept whats staring him in the face.
The obvious Mafia was Josilot. He's not too smart. The Doc trusted me and he sused Miniwally, who also turned out to be Mafia. So basically, had Bullrog trusted me OR the Doc, we woulda won. I hate when idiots fuck up my 75 pointz.
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