How many ronin are necessary for oop military build???

4500.

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not a joke! for 1st wave i was thinkin 1100. good or bad?

You'll be training only 1100 Ronin for OOP?

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150.100.80.

Its probably best not to play Shinobi this round.

BUT, if you are, I would think 800 Ronin is enough.

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Exactly what quaffle said

OOP you need some 2-2,5k def. After that you want to add +2k raw def every 10hrs.. means 4-4,5k def needed at OOP+10hrs, etc

2k dp every 10 hours means 200 defense per hour, which means 30-31k spent hourly solely for training defense. I'd say it's better to have some more Ronins at the start (which can be sent on offense as well 1st wave), so that you can save up some gold for building your land when it comes in.

True. As long as you don't focus too much on building the acres, while your def is still unsafe

No no no. You want to overtrain ronins, a lot, use them to attack on wave 1, and some on wave 2, so that you have sufficient all in dp once your land is in. I dont know how much gold you would have, but having some 2k ronins would be nice, could send some 1200-1300 first wave, then a few less for the next wave.

C Knights are cheaper per offensive point compared to Ronins. Its better for train a few Ronins for defense and mass the rest in C Knights if you want to have solid turtle after OOP madness.

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I would prefere Crescent Knight over Ronins too. Ofc Ronins will probably give you more def after OOP, but they are LESS efficient and more expensive for OP. Crescent Knights also give conversions. Not much, but better than nothing And 2k ronins vs 500 Crescent Knights: the eco from those 1.5k workers you save, should pay back pretty soon and therefore make you able to run good all in def anyway

5k op or dp in CK are 714 units for 1.07M gold.

1.07M gold let's you train 1.5k ronin and 586 Rokka, which is 2344 op and 4.5k dp. Or a total of 6844 power to use.
With 586 rokka home, it is still more than 5k dp.

1844 more power at OOP is quite a lot. I see nothing wrong with training Ronin so that the total defense of ronins are what you need on wave 2.

But everything is really about what defense you will have when the wave 2 land is in.

My point was that Rok+Ron gives as much turtle power as CK, when talking about spending gold, while also giving you more power at OOP. Sure, your income is going to be lower.

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1mln gold spent on Ronins (2k def in Ronins), Crescent Knights (2.5k mili from them) and the rest in Crystal Assasins gives 6k mili. You will have 1300 troops, which is LESS than what you have with 4.5k def from Ronins. This setup gives conversions on every hit (36 sylphs per wave OMG!!)

Imo this discussion always ends up to be a case of preference You want to go specs or elites?

I think in terms of gold spent it doesnt really matter where you go for. Short term specs are better for gold spent. Long term, elites win it easily. Since Shin is considered a slow race, it looks obvious to me that one would want to go Elites. But again, case of preference.

You'll be murdered playing slow shin in a four week round.

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What race does everyone prefer of the good faith?