Jumping in mid conversation I didn't immediately understand that Ceek was looking for a traditional pack, along with additional player slots added.

Now that I understand I don't feel special treatment qualifies. If the Dom group doesn't want to send a player or two into the draft in order to get the advantage of Ceek/Sven's experience, it doesn't sound like they deserve the help. (as politically correct as Ceek is trying to sound about the situation)

If it is so important to train them, perhaps Zip will allow Ceek/Sven to have honorary "trainer kingdoms" where they join their traditional pack of 6 Dom players but each get a kingdom that is in permanent pause mode, unable to attack, grow, or be attacked.

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Well, I just started a kingdom again less than a week ago so I don't know who the Dom folks are, but if the hearsay is true that they are good and active, and they'll add you and Sven to make 8, you are greatly understating said advantage. The best a draft pack will do is 1-2 great players, 2-3 mediocre players, and 2-4 actives who might listen and learn over the round how not to suck. I haven't been around much for the last year or so, but I did participate in 2 drafts back in the day.

Not asking for 8 spots, but 6 or 7 (regular packs are 5 players now).

We'd likely to be 6 or 7 vs 8-10 packs, depending on the captain:draftee ratio.

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I dont have an issue with sven and ceek having a "super-draft-pack" winning the draft. And i'm sure the dom players would learn a ton from sven and ceek. But if some people are joining the draft as a group then everyone should get to do that. It kinda defeats the purpose of the draft a bit. Not sure if it is so good. Could takao and his mates just take ONE round without each other? It's just 5w, not the end of the world?

it defeats the whole purpose of a draft, not kinda

Dom players could look at it from this perspective:

- Split up into different draft packs
- All learn something from their respective captains/packs
- At the end of the five weeks, come back together and share what was learnt
- Next round will possess diversified knowledge on the game, and as a whole be a much better cohort.

Sure, Ceek and Sven are awesome, and you will most likely win, but why not take advantage of the opportunity to diversify?

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150.100.80.

Didn't want to look like a diva with the request.

Basically, what we're asking is to have Vance and I picked by the same captain(s), ideally the whole pack (up to the game limit), which lead us to a split for one round and a sharing of knowledge the round later. Also, we aren't the only new players coming from dom.

You can co-cap and we can't co-draft.

First off at the moment there are just Captains and no co-captains. I'm sure some of the first or 2nd picks will be able to help out but there is no co-captain role officially and NO place is guaranteed to get into a desired pack.

Second, way to throw a spanner into the works Sven and Ceek. I'm not surprised at Ceek but I'm a little surprised at this action from you Sven. What did you think would happen after proposing this? Of course it'll make a lot of people now want to go the same route and could if it hasn't already destroy the whole draft sign up. If you get special treatment why won't everyone else also want the same?

If you just want to help out, either be a captain or just join the draft, your knowledge will be welcome to any pack. If you really just want to help this pack out you can do so via pm's, msn etc, why do you need to play with them?

I agree with scarlo2 on this, if you want to gain extra places just for teaching then fine but make them none active kingdoms, only active in realm council and viewing realm book. If you want to play in the round then pack up as a normal pack or join the draft, simple.

This may seem harsh, but I've seen how allowing some to have special treatment can really throw a curve ball into mmorpgs, the outcomes are never what you expect or good.

At your service, sir.

It is still within rules and doable (but inconvenient) to run a 6-pack right out of the gates so I figured it really wouldn't make a difference or affect a thing overall. On all draft rounds there have been talk of regular (super) packs dominating the round, yet it's never affected the signup or made captains ditch the draft for a pack, so I believe, you sir, are overstating the importance of this matter.

You can have it your way. But we're too old, achy and elitist to spend our time playing 8 kingdoms at once and this seemed like something that'd still fit into the spirit of the draft (=share knowledge) without making it too much of a burden.

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I think this statement kind of shows why you just don't get what the whole draft idea is about. *sigh*

This statement kind of shows why sarcasm never works on the internet. *sigh*

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This statement shows that most people who say "sarcasm" doesn't work on the internet don't actually know what sarcasm means! So your "sarcastic" statement should have the meaning of;

But we're NOT too old, achy and elitist to spend our time playing 8 kingdoms at once and this DOESN'T seem like something that'd still fit into the spirit of the draft (= NOT share knowledge) with making it too much of a burden.

That's even worse!

Sorry sir, but that's a bad troll. You're not silly enough to think my whole post was sarcastic, it's that one phrase you decided to pull out of it which I was replying to. Intentional use of fallacies is illegal around here ok? :-)

Though since you are just trolling and employing that said sarcasm that never works, it's forgivable I guess. You'll go with just a warning.

And just for your information, sir:



Not always meaning the opposite of the said thing. More information of this thing I don't understand

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To me, it seems you two (Ceek and Sven) have found four new players that are obviously intelligent enough to succeed in this game with the "little" amount of guidance you each have time to give. And in general, they are nice people. You want to pack with them. And what you are saying is, "Can we have one more spot in our realm so we can all pack?"

If it were a normal round, everyone would agree this is an unfortunate situation that realms are only five large. I doubt you would even ask for +1 spot. You would have to leave someone out in order to pack. Or have one kingdom suck until GT 240 and join up.

But next round is not a "normal round". The community is trying to put together a draft that has only a few specific rules, which includes increased pack size. Your pack is taking advantage of this and asking for an extra spot in your pack. The only thing that is saving you from everyone screaming "HOW COME THEY GET AN EXTRA SPOT?" is the draft.

Either way, I do not feel it is the community's decision to give your pack an extra spot. That is zip's decision. Perhaps you should bring it up with him directly and not ruin the spirit of the draft with all this bickering.

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The Age of Despair :: Round 2 :: 1 El Norte
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 4 :: 1 SmoochyWoochyPoochy
The Age of Wisdom :: Round 6 :: 1 Goblin Rings
The Age of Achievements :: Round 1 :: 1 Hufflepuff's Cup

To summarize everyone's discussions: Should the best players get special privileges in a round where everyone else is purposely handicapping themselves to help others?

I vote yes, like Sven and Ceek I'd totally be more helpful to the playerbase as a whole if I could have a 6 pack of Dom players as opposed to 1 dom players, 2 legends players that might be ok, and 3 that will never be competitive.

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Zehahaha

The sole reason for asking the community in the first place is to be fair on all parties and save some bickering. If I went to zip directly in all silence and he'd grant the +1 spot, you do realize what kind of a shitstorm it'd create in the middle of the round, right?

Moreover, we will not even go to zip if the community feels we shouldn't do so, just to be fair.

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